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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 11:51:34 GMT -5
I'm just reading this now. Seems we don't know what we're selling, or who else is selling it, until the match starts. I don't remember seeing this challenge, but I'll check for it in an hour or so. I'm guessing at least one of you has, though. Ideas?
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Post by soullimbo on May 31, 2016 14:06:04 GMT -5
I have a vague recollection of this challenge on the show, it didn't really grab me as one of the better ones.
Lukas is now trying to put players against you Tomcat lol. This is what he posted before:
I did, however, point out to him that you were well aware of the fact that there was no-one with the ability to fire you left in the game except for Adam lol.
His latest post on the main game thread is also interesting.
As for this challenge, very tricky, unless you know and trust the people who have the same fruit as you. I don't think he will close the rooms like the last challenge. Which will help us as soon as we know which fruits we have.
I tried speaking to David again, and once again he hasn't even bothered to reply. I give up. Surprised Tara was a no-show for that death match, it's a shame too, would have liked to see how the match panned out.
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Post by switza on May 31, 2016 14:10:02 GMT -5
If you bid $1 you're guaranteed to win your fruit, correct? So why would you not bid $1 every time to at least guarantee you won't be in last place?
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 14:14:30 GMT -5
Lolz, yeah... it was a joke. I knew no one could fire me. I posted that entire statement in all caps, along with a link to Iggy & The Stooges' "Search and Destroy". It was more, "screw it, I have nothing to say or do here". The fact anyone took that seriously amazes me. Honestly, this match is pretty easy. Too easy, really. All you need is 2 people, use the Change to make sure you have all 4 fruit between you, and then offer $1 for everything. No one else can win - the best they can do is tie. Simple. The complicated thing is the social aspect, read: Nyx and Lukas. You guys can all use that plan together, or you can get Nyx to device whatever brilliant plan she wants, but shape it so that you and Adam are offering the least amount (maybe try to have you and Adam take up the same 2 fruit, to keep anyone else from winning with them, while Nyx and Lukas go for the gold with their 2). I can figure it out with someone else to offer $1 for everything (probably Cherry or Rachael), have them use a change, then I use a Secret the first round to throw them off. The big problem here is, if they go for the bait, Nyx and Lukas would lose, which isn't necessarily ideal for you and Adam. Thus the spanner in this particular works, and why I'm lost. I already asked Mas what will happen if everyone offers $1 for every fruit, every round (ie: who would go to the Death Match?). I'll let you know when he answers.
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 14:19:27 GMT -5
Oh, re-read... so you need 3 players for 5 fruit. Which should make it easy to determine a winner with 3 people, unless everyone just offers $1 for everything and how "random" the fruit assignments are.
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 14:31:12 GMT -5
Actually (sorry, finally taking the time to really read the rules diligently), randomness doesn't matter, it all factors into the total.
So the key seems to be to get others with your fruit to try to sell for a larger value than you are (while still selling for more than $1) to win. So the randomness of how the fruit is distributed depends more on how well you can con who else has your same fruit, if you want to win. But trying to win seems too risky here, tbh.
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Post by soullimbo on May 31, 2016 14:36:11 GMT -5
I understood the rules differently:
10 players , each with 2 fruits , total 20
5 different fruit categories, means 4 of each fruit at the start of the game.
If for example, i start with Apple and orange. I decide to use my change, change my apple to watermelon. The result is that there are now 4 of each EXCEPT that there are now 3 apples and 5 watermelons. If multiple players do this, it becomes a nightmare lol
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 14:43:20 GMT -5
Yeah, the "assigned randomly" threw me off (and me missing a fruit, ha!). You're right, though.
Which means if someone changes and there are then 5 watermelons, watermelon has a higher earning value... ie: if one person with watermelon bids $1 while everyone else bids higher, the watermelon person would then get $5. So, the best bet to win would be to get everyone in an alliance pick the same fruit, then all but 1 bid higher, to increase the earning potential for the person who bids the lowest. The problem is, that puts everyone helping that person win at risk (since, for that person to win, they would effectively not be getting anything for that fruit).
EDIT: There are probably ways around that, such as alternating a mutual low bid so each gets something throughout the game. The problem with that is if everyone else with that same fruit, outside of that alliance, bids $1 every round, too.
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Post by soullimbo on May 31, 2016 14:47:27 GMT -5
if the 3 of us should get the same fruit at the start, that would be ideal. I wonder if you're allowed to have 2 of the same fruit?
For example, if I start with apple and orange, could I ask to change my ornage to an apple, so I would end up with 2 apples?
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 15:03:32 GMT -5
I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure how much it would help. Let's say you stayed with apple and orange, bid $1 for each... you'd still be getting at least $2 - same for having 2 apples, *if* everyone else with apple bids $1. It's only by people bidding higher amounts (and thus getting nothing) that you get more.
Stocking up on one fruit would help someone else win, but it would also put you at risk if - by giving them higher returns with that fruit - you're rarely, or never, getting anything from it. However, if no one outside of a group has that fruit, then the entire thing could potentially be rigged with 5 people - ie: One person wins with $4 every round, and the other 4 alternate winning/tying each round. Since no one else has it, no one else will bid $1. And with everyone having the same fruit, everyone else in the game getting $1 from every other fruit wouldn't be able to catch up. It would require everyone having 1 of the same fruit each (and no one outside of the group having that fruit), and then the other 4 fruit (which everyone would bid $1 on) split between them, though (which might be difficult to organize, depending on how the fruit is dealt). This could also be done with 3 people (and the other 2 would get even higher amounts), but the odds of no one outside of a group having that fruit is impossible (at least one other person would have it).
Mas, QUESTION:
Can we give the token of life to someone even if they have the lowest total and would otherwise be the Death Match candidate, with the new Death Match candidate being the 2nd lowest?
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Post by soullimbo on May 31, 2016 15:46:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it says in the rules that the lowest amount automatically becomes the death match candidate, and in season 1, when you have the extra token of life, you can give it to anyone EXCEPT the death match candidate.
The challenge depends on how much info we're able to gather up.
Question for Mas: Will we be told if someone has used their "change card" , even if we don't know who it is and what fruit has changed ? Because if someone uses their "hide card" , we will all know about it, except for who used it.
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Post by Tomcat Murr on May 31, 2016 16:16:42 GMT -5
Yeah, and we went get all of the info until it starts.
Re: Lukas. I thought about that and there's no way he could've taken that seriously. I think my exact comment was (without the caps - on phone, too much work), "someone try to fire me! Just try it! Look out honey, cuz I'm using technology! Ain't got time to make no apology!" I'm guessing it has more to do with him and Nyx. When Mas first tried this game, Lukas explicitly lied to me/tried to force me out of a challenge. I didn't fall for it. First round of this go, Nyx tried to reneg on our deal and give me 3 garnets - I called her out. Last round she lied about her character to me, and I obviously caught her by saying I peeked Rachael and she came forward when she realized you guys needed my character. I also implicitly called her out on outing your guys' (with Lukas) alliance. I'm guessing they're just fed up with me not falling for their crap. So I'm not sure how effective pointing out the obvious to him (that I knew no one could fire me) will be, because I don't think that's his reason for the comment. Heh.
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Post by soullimbo on May 31, 2016 17:46:36 GMT -5
Maybe they just wanted to see how Adam and I would react. Nyx basically posted that your post was just for show and agreed with what I said, but she did go on to say that this kind of behaviour is something we should keep an eye on lololol
She also suggested that if we each have a different fruit, then one of us should be $1 every round, that way no other player can win huge amounts. I'm not gonna tell them which fruits I have, not straight away anyway...
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Post by Bandage Man on May 31, 2016 18:00:35 GMT -5
Mas, QUESTION:
Can we give the token of life to someone even if they have the lowest total and would otherwise be the Death Match candidate, with the new Death Match candidate being the 2nd lowest?[/quote]
No, you can't. If there are more than one losers, after the winner has selected one of them to be the Death Match candidate, you can give it to the other loser. But only after the had winner had chosen.
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Post by Bandage Man on May 31, 2016 18:01:58 GMT -5
Question for Mas: Will we be told if someone has used their "change card" , even if we don't know who it is and what fruit has changed ? Because if someone uses their "hide card" , we will all know about it, except for who used it.[/quote]
The person who wants to use a Change card will post on the thread themselves which fruit they are changing from and to. So everyone will know about it.
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